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June 3, 2007
Tipler vs. Krauss
This afternoon Shirley and I went to CalTech for a debate between Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss. The subject was Tipler's new book, The Physics of Christianity. Without getting into all the physics and math, I will try to summarize the debate.
Tipler:
If . . . If . . . Possibly . . . If . . . An analogy. Possibly . . . Possibly. . . If . . . Some math. An analogy. If . . . If . . . If . . .
QED
God exists.
There is a Divine Trinity.
Jesus was/is the incarnation of the second person of that Trinity.
The virgin birth is true.
The resurrection is true.
Jesus will return within the next fifty years!
Krauss:
Evidence. Probabilities. Uncertainties in Science. Evidence. Evidence. Some math. Probabilities. Probabilities. Uncertainties in Science
Conclusion
Tipler is wrong on important aspects of the current state of science.
The science Tipler cites does not support his conclusions.
Even those conclusions that may be possible under Tipler's interpretation of the science are of such low probability that they are of no real interest from a scientific point of view.
Science has nothing to say on the issues Tipler wants it to explain.
Your can read the detail of Krauss' review of Tipler's book at NewScience.com (subscription required).
I thought the whole thing rather amusing. Based on her reading of Tipler's body language and way of express himself, Shirley thought Tipler didn't believe it himself and that it was some kind of joke. I think she is wrong. He seemed dangerously serious to me.
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Having been a colleague of Frank's at Tulane and teaching a course with him I can assure you that he is "dangerously" serious. Not long ago I spoke with him about my research project on election and free will in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
"Your wrong," he said.
What? I pointed out to him that I had not even told him of my developing view, but he insisted.
"You are wrong. You are not a physicist so you will be wrong on anything relating to predestination."
I still like him and had a cordial relationship, but I have since given up on any conversations regarding religion.
Posted by: Chris at June 4, 2007 11:49 AM
Didn't Tipler write another book about a bizarre notion called Omega something? I remember reading about it & if I am not mistaken that at that time he was claiming that he was actually an atheist, which didn't make sense.
Posted by: Aydin at June 5, 2007 5:18 AM
I could be wrong, but I think the book is The Physics of Immortality. I know he talks about the "Omega Point" in it. During the Q and A he was asked if he were a Christian before the work that led to The Physics of Immortality and The Physics of Christianity. He told us he was an evangelical of some kind until he was 16 when he became an agnostic. But his work on the anthorpic principle led him to see how the whole of physics pointed to Christianity.
Posted by: Duane at June 5, 2007 7:43 AM
He grew up in a very conservative Baptist background, became an atheist in school at MIT (his account), and has since become a Christian because he has been convinced of the "physics" of Christianity. I would not characterize him as an evangelical (and I don't think he would either).
Posted by: Chris at June 5, 2007 8:58 PM
Chris,
I think you are correct (and I was wrong) about him being an evangelical. In fact, Shirley remembers that he said that he was a "conservative Baptist." However, whatever he may have said on other occasions, both of us remember that he said he became an agnostic at about age sixteen. He never mentioned "atheist." At least, the best of our collective memories, he didn't use that word at the CalTech meeting.
Posted by: Duane at June 5, 2007 9:23 PM
Having attended the debate, I can say that Tipler got the better of Krauss. Krauss made only one technical objection and Tipler answered it. The rest of Krauss' presentation was insults.
Tipler's theology is testable and falsifiable and flows from current physics without the need to inventnew laws or forces. He is probably the first materialist in history to believe in God. In fact his God-model is completely on a materialistic and reductionist basis.
Posted by: hank at June 9, 2007 12:52 PM
It's interesting that Tipler said the second Coming will occur in fifty years. Centuries ago, Newton wrote a book on biblical prophecy where he predicted the Second Coming in 2050! Newton not only predicted the Holocaust(which he called the tribulation of the Jews) but said it would begin in 1937 and end in 1944. And this was centuries ago!
Posted by: Gregory Chang at June 9, 2007 12:55 PM
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